Can you say, let me and my boyfriend?

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, well that was not in the police report.

From NBI Studios, this is Truth and Justice,

a crowdsourced investigation in real time.

I'm Bob Ra.

The Courtney Double Homicide Case is a complex one to say the least.

We began with what seemed like a cut and dry case against Debra Perringer.

But the closer we look at the investigation, the mudier the picture of the case becomes.

We're at the point in our work on the case where we need to start filling in the gaps ourselves.

As you all know, I'm leaving tomorrow to head to Fort Worth to try to find some answers

that are missing from the case file.

And for that very same purpose, this week, I reached out to someone who I feel is a key witness.

Dr. Margarita Abelos

I called Dr. Abelos earlier this week and she agreed to record an interview with me.

The phone connection wasn't great and I want to say a big thank you to our music man,

Shane Yoder, for cleaning it up and making it listenable.

Here's Dr. Abelos.

The best place to start is you were what seemed to me when reading through the case files.

You seemed to be in a very key witness to the murders of Lloyd and Agnes Courtney.

And actually, before I get into what you saw that day, did you actually know the Courtney's?

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