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S8 Ep253: QUEENS OF BRITAIN: CARTIMANDUA AND BOUDICCA Colleague Emma Southon. This segment contrasts two British queens: Cartimandua and Boudicca. Cartimandua, queen of the Brigantes, collaborates successfully with Rome, understanding they are "not to be defeated,

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🗓️ 27 December 2025

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QUEENS OF BRITAIN: CARTIMANDUA AND BOUDICCA Colleague Emma Southon. This segment contrasts two British queens: Cartimandua and Boudicca. Cartimandua, queen of the Brigantes, collaborates successfully with Rome, understanding they are "not to be defeated, they're to be pleased." Conversely, Boudicca represents resistance; provoked by Roman mistreatment, she leads a rebellion but is defeated. While Tacitus claims Boudicca committed suicide to preserve honor, English schools celebrate her as a symbol of resistance against tyranny. NUMBER 14
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0:00.0

Emma Southen's here.

0:06.1

Her new book is A Rome of One's Own, the forgotten women of the Roman Empire.

0:10.0

We've spent time with Julia getting even with Augustus, but now the empire in the first AD is the product of Augustus's strong-mindedness.

0:18.1

I'll be fair-minded here.

0:20.1

And he's succeeded by Tiberius and Claudius, and we all know Caligula, and then Nero,

0:26.6

and then Nero commits suicide in a strange fashion.

0:30.9

And it passes on to the Flavians.

0:34.8

And what we're looking at here is that first century, not in Rome, not even on

0:40.2

the continent, but in Britain. Roman Britain was about as far as you could get from the center,

0:46.8

and yet there was success. Claudius conquers it. There are cities built up. Lundinium is the one

0:53.1

we know as London, Colchester and others.

0:56.4

But there are Roman tribes that the English students I've met are very proud of.

1:02.6

And there are two in particular, the Burganties and the Isanai.

1:05.7

The Issa and I are close into London.

1:08.6

The Burganties are in the north.

1:10.6

I don't know my geography that well, but I do know

1:13.2

that the Brigantes are major importance, and they're led by Cartamandua, whom you've not heard of.

1:19.6

You've heard of the other one, Budica. So let us start with the Cartamandia, because she as a queen of the Brigantes

1:28.6

that the Romans are not to be defeated, they're to be pleased.

1:33.0

And is that a popular opinion when she picks it up?

1:36.0

Is she alone of all the tribes leaders?

1:39.0

Is she the one who understands that you can deal with the Romans?

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