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S8 Ep251: Guests: Captain James Fanell (USN Ret.) and Bradley Thayer. To counter China's conventional superiority, the authors recommend "war fighting proliferation," supporting nuclear capabilities for allies like Japan and South Korea. They advocate for "politic

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 26 December 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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  1. Guests: Captain James Fanell (USN Ret.) and Bradley Thayer. To counter China's conventional superiority, the authors recommend "war fighting proliferation," supporting nuclear capabilities for allies like Japan and South Korea. They advocate for "political warfare" rather than armed conflict, aiming to isolate the CCP economically and diplomatically. By cutting off investment and exploiting Xi Jinping's current economic weaknesses, they propose a strategy to delegitimize the regime and trigger internal change similar to the Soviet Union's collapse.

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I'm John Batch with Brad Thayer and James Finnell. Jim, your book Embracing Communist China,

0:41.3

America's greatest strategic failure, has recommendations about what is to be done. We come to this one,

0:47.2

which is warfighting. Proliferation. Now, my interpretation of that is the Japanese are a turnkey away from being a nuclear power,

0:57.0

perhaps the same for Seoul for the Republic of Korea.

1:01.3

We can name others, but those two are obvious.

1:04.5

Is the lack of Team B, does that mean that they're not thinking about this,

1:12.6

that this is an outlier to Washington to turn our allies into assets when it comes to China's routine, strategic forces

1:20.7

threat, routine.

1:21.8

You saw that with Vladimir Putin's threatening strategic forces in Ukraine, China, Beijing, Moscow, Xi, Putin,

1:32.1

both came together with a 7,000-word statement in which they said a nuclear war should never be

1:37.5

taught, never be fought. We all got the message. So proliferation, is that an answer right now, Jim?

1:45.8

It has to be, John,

1:51.6

because of that strategic mismatch that has occurred. You know, we talk a lot about the cross-straight environment, about the status quo. But China has basically obliterated the status quo

1:57.3

over the last 35 years in the conventional arena. And in this last three years,

2:01.9

under the Biden administration, China has put 350 ICBM silos out in central and western China

2:07.4

and build up their nuclear arsenal with the improvements like to the JL3 on their ballistic missile

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