Welcome to Live Well Anyway. I'm your host, Mackenzie Kappa. On this podcast, we journey together

and learning how to feel healthy, look good, and plan lives we actually like in the midst of all the

everyday chaos. I'm so glad you're here. And today, I have Jennifer Michelle Greenberg on the show talking about her

brand new book, Defiant Joy. I was really attracted to this book because Jennifer comes from a

history of abuse and all kinds of hardships that she's experienced in her life, but she's been able to

look at having joy in the midst of those things from a really fresh perspective. I think a lot of times,

especially in Christian culture, we get a little lost and we're supposed to just be happy or have

this sort of almost toxic positivity all the time. And Jennifer kind of flips the script on all of that

and gives a really refreshing look at what it really means to live through

difficult things and to deal with those things and to handle our anger and justifiable feelings

that we go through as we are experiencing these things. I really loved her take on it. I found

it to be very biblically grounded, but also very hopeful and incredibly real. So I hope you're going to enjoy this episode. But before we

get there, I would just like to say that we are about to start a brand new month. March is coming

in just a couple of days. I know, I can't believe it myself, that we are already almost two full

months into the new year. And I am starting to feel like,

you know, the last two months, the last few months of the darkness and the cold, they've been

very draining. We've talked about it on the podcast even, but now there's like hope of spring.

There's more light. Things are starting to warm up just the tiniest bit,

at least in my neck of the woods. And it feels like the chance to start new things, to kind of

rehash some of these goals that maybe we started at the new year and then they didn't really

work because we were like tired and it was dark and you know that happens so we are

looking at refreshing our routines getting back on that horse making sure that we can move into the

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