And welcome to this second part of my interview with Tim Heron discussing Iron Sites versus red dots on pistols.

I enjoyed the conversation.

I hope you enjoyed part one.

If you've missed part one and haven't listened to that one yet,

I'd encourage you to go back and catch part one, which was the last episode before beginning this part two

because, well, part two will make a lot more sense once you've heard part one.

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So without further ado, let's get back to our discussion with Tim Herron.

Here is part two.

To think that one or of the other aiming devices don't fail, they do fail.

I'm also not one of these instructors that have just tracked either for my own

needs or for the needs of students to just push, you know, like, again, kind of one polarizing

opinion over the other. I've seen, honestly, just as many red dot sites fail in my classes as

I've seen iron sites fail. And to be honest with you, that number is not that often.

Like either way, you know, I mean, people like, well, you know, in my classes, I see very few irons or very few red dots fail.

I see a lot of iron sights fail.

It's, to me, it's honestly, it's almost equal.

You know, guys, like, maybe they've lifted their gun out of the holster and the battery failed at the, at the time that they needed it the most,

whether it be for a drill or an exercise or things like that. I've also seen people, you know,

like lift, lift their gun or they've been fighting like a zero issue and then they happen to actually look down

and look at the gun and they go oh well that's not good you know my winded screw my elevation

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