I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansel and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder

and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called Blood Ties.

Hi everyone, welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast.

I'm Molly Wansall and I'm here with my father, Geoffrey Wansall.

Hello everyone. Welcome back. Thank you for listening.

It's been a strange week.

I'm not quite sure why, but because I've spent it going back over the case we're doing, it's been rather gloomy.

And it's a very, very big case, which we're going to do in two episodes.

And I've found it,

I'm curiously upsetting.

I'm sorry.

No, no.

Put you through the ringer.

It's just such a, it's a famous case, and it's a very dramatic case.

But there is something about the individual concerned and indeed the victims that moves me deeply. Plus, it is also a severely botched police operation. Well, hold fire.

Let's talk about something cheerful for a bit well we need to make a big

patreon and it's not a specific it's like a big we're doing a thing okay we're doing a thing what are we

doing okay so what we're going to do is uh as part of our kind of what you get if you're on our

patreon and join our Patreon. Okay.

No obligation listeners to join or not join.

Everyone who supports us, thank you so much.

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