I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansel and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder

and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called blood ties.

Hi everyone, welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast. I'm Molly Wansel and I'm here with my father

Jeffrey Wansel. Hello everyone. Welcome back. We've been away for a little break, but now we're

here again and I'm delighted to be here. It was quite a long break for us actually. Was it? How long

was it? Like six weeks or something. Oh, that's a long break. us, actually. Was it? How long was it? It was like six weeks or something.

Oh, that's a long break.

But mind you, we'd gone quite a long period without stopping, hadn't we?

Because we ran on when COVID hit, we ran from season to season.

Yeah.

Because we thought people could do it.

Yeah. It'd be really nice to reconnect with our listeners too.

I hope you've been surviving the rigours of meltdown lockdown or lockdown meltdown or whatever it may be today.

Yeah, also I haven't told you this, Dad, but on your birthday, which wasn't long ago,

I put a picture of you on our

instagram page yeah and wrote happy birthday i'm just going to read out some of the comments

oh crikey oh dear hold on let me show you first which pick i which pick i put up got a lot put this pick up that old classic one of my caves up. Got a lot. Put this pick up, that old classic, one of my

waves. Righty. Got a lot of comments. Very handsome man. Happy birthday G man, I miss you.

Hair, exclamation, exclamation. Where did that go? Happy birthday, Jeffrey. So handsome heart eyes emoji.

When I first saw this book, I thought, oh no, I think an evil killer is hot until I read

the blurb underneath and it was in fact your father.

Oh, Molly.

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