Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Focus Group podcast.

I'm Sarah Longwell, publisher of the bulwark, and this week we're covering some of the internal divisions that are surfacing within the Republican Party and the MAGA movement more generally.

Now, these are not the kinds of divisions we saw during Trump 1.0,

where there was a cabal of secret adults who were willing to vent to reporters behind the scenes

but weren't willing to speak out.

Those characters have largely self-deported from today's Republican Party.

These days, the internal dissension is coming from,

uh, should we call them the crazier

Republicans? I'm going to go ahead and do that, the crazier Republicans, if they even are

Republicans in any sense of the word. So we talk to some Republican voters about some of the

big disagreements going on, from Trump running for a third term, to the filibuster, to the

mainstreaming of anti-Semitism on the right,

and the recent Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, debacle.

Everyone you're going to hear from today voted for Trump in 2020 and in 2024,

but there are some tensions that they're wrestling with below the surface.

My guest today is Robert Draper, staff writer for the New York Times Magazine,

and author of Weapons of Mass Delusion, when the Republican Party lost its mind.

Hey, Robert.

Hey, there's Sarah.

So tell me this just as a level set, because you've written a lot about this.

What are the fault lines within the GOP that you think are the

most interesting? And what do you think are going to matter the most as we move toward 2028?

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