This episode of Rockonturs was recorded before the passing of Shane McGowan.

Hello Gary, hello Guy, how are you? Yeah, a little bit chilly today. The weather's turned,

hasn't it? You know, so you can see I'm wearing a sweater. I can see you're a very nice sleeveless sweater. I like those.

It's all my arms, my arms are not too bad. It's my chest these days, you know.

Oh, I know your chest. But you think it's a bit chilly where you are I'm up on the South

Downs with my village cut off by flooding oh yeah only at one end but But flood actually worked, I think, probably with one of our...

Exactly.

Which is exactly why I said, which is a great little segue there.

Steve Lillie White, one of the great producers. Yes. there. third album by Peter Gabriel. Okay, okay, so now I mean Steve Liddy White is probably I'd say to indie arts music what Trevor

Horn is to pop music really isn't he?

Absolutely yeah he's basically defined new wave I mean it starts with you know you know he got

Ultravox signed I know I saw that with their demos oh amazing

Ultravox with an exclamation mark.

That's how they used.

That's when they were going to be a musical.

Yeah, I think they got that.

They stole that from Noy or one of those German crowd, you rock bands, you know who also had the exclamation mark

Oh, right. Yeah my bill friendel moment is obviously come on. Yeah, it's gonna be this is gonna be a long one I think

Well, I'm not gonna go through the lot because because you know I've edited it slightly but I mean he's produced he produced

X T. C. Susan the Banshee's obviously we said Ultra Box simple minds talking heads you two rolling stones

called Morrissey Peter Gabriel he has six Grammy awards and he was he was a

dear friend of mine I work with him a lot back in the day and some of my favorite musical moments actually are from you know working with Steve which was with Kirstie McCall and it was with him that I played on the duet that Debbie Harry and Iggy pop did.

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