We spent some five minutes discussing Lewis's influenza, and then half an hour or more in discussion of ethics and philosophy.

This is Pints with Jack, Season 5, Episode 56. The Medical Inklink, R.E. Havard. After hours with Sarah O'Dell.

Good morning, everyone. Pints for Jack is your weekly C.S. Lois podcast

where Andrew Matt and I break down and discuss the works of C.S. Lewis.

This month has been Narnia Month,

but we're wrapping it up with a number of non-Nanya-related interviews.

And today's guest was first put on my radar by a fan favourite, Dr. Diana Glyer, and I saw

her name pop up again from time to time in Lewis circles and on Facebook message boards.

But my interest was really piqued when I saw that she'd been studying one of the less

known inclings, Dr. R. E. Havard. And the opening quotation from today's episode came from

the man himself. And so here on Pines of Jack, we mainly focus on Jack, C.S. Lewis. But if you

really want to know a man, it's often helpful to know about his friends.

And so with that, today's guest is Sarah O'Dell.

Sarah O'Dell is an MD and PhD candidate at the University of California, Irving.

She's studying in UCI's Department of English, where she has also completed a medical humanities emphasis.

Her research focuses on the intersections between medicine, literature and religion in the 18th century, as well as its reinterpretation of the

medieval era. She has a BS in biology and an MA in English from Azusa Pacific University,

where she studied under Dr. Diana Glyer and began her work on inkling and physician, R.E. Havard.

She's active in the world of Inclings Studies and is working on a book which focuses on the life and works of Dr. Havard, the medical inkling.

And finally, when she's not writing, studying, or in the clinic, she enjoys poetry, sewing, and other creative endeavors.

Sarah O'Dell, welcome to Pints for Jack. Thank you so much for the

invitation and the opportunity to chat. It's such a delight to be here. Not at all. I'm hoping to learn a

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