Grip with your knees and keep your eyes straight ahead between my ears.

Don't look at the ground. If you think you're going to fall, just grip harder and sit up straighter.

Ready? Now, for Narnia and the North.

This is Pines for Jack, Season 5, Episode 52, The Horse and His Boy, Part 1.

Good morning, everyone. Pints for Jack is your favourite weekly CSOs podcast, where Andrew, Matt and I break down and discuss the works of CS Lewis.

This season, we read The Four Loves and A Severe Mercy, as well as had an ecumenical month where

we invited Lewis fans from diverse religious backgrounds, and we had an apologetics month

where we interviewed apologists about the various arguments which were favoured by Lewis.

But now it is time for our Narnian Chronicle of the Season.

And the working titles for this book included Narnia in the North,

The Horse That Stole the Boy, and the Desert Road to Narnia.

It's the book which is dedicated to Douglas Gresham and his brother,

The Horse and His Boy.

And to help us on our journey to Narnia and the North,

back by popular demand, is Dr. Kristen Ditchfield-Lazzo.

Dr. Lazzo, welcome back to the show.

It's great to be with you all again.

Thank you so much for having me.

I know people always say, like, wait, how did they say it?

The privilege is all mine.

But genuinely, I'm so excited for this because the last time you blew my mind.

Because that was my first time ever.

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