In order to become a good lover, you need to become a good person.

And in order to become a good person, you need to practice the virtues.

Now, this is very unsexy advice, but I think it's realistic, and in the long run, everything which is realistic is sexier than the unrealistic.

This is Pints with Jack, season 5, episode 31, The Love Clinic.

After Hours with Dr. Jason Lepoyardv.

Good morning, everyone. Pints for Jack is your weekly CS-Lewis podcast, where three friends, Andrew, David and Matt, break down and discuss the works of S. Louis.

This season, we've been reading The Four Loves, and now that it's finished, it's time to call in Dr. Love himself, Dr. Jason Lepoyavvi, who also happens to be the originator of the quotation at the start of this episode. Dr. Jason Lapoyavi is half Canadian and half Finnish. He studied

theology and philosophy at the University of Helsinki. His master's thesis focused on the

theology of the body and sexuality by Pope St. John Paul II, and was published as the first

introduction to the subject in Finnish. His doctoral dissertation was entitled, God is Love,

but Love is not God, C.S. Lewis's Theology of Love, and he served as the president of the Oxford

University C.S. Lewis Society. He's worked at St. Bennet's Hall, Regent College and Thornlow University,

and he is presently Fellow of Literature at the Davenant Institute, teaching courses on Lewis,

Tolkien, and everything else you might expect. And he's got a couple of books in the works,

which I hope we can get him to talk about towards the end of the episode. But we're going to

mostly be talking

about the four loves today, as well as love in general, in an episode which I'm calling

the Love Clinic. Dr. Jason Lapoyavi, welcome to Pints with Jack. Well, thank you, David.

A long time. No, hear or see or speak. Good to be back. Yes, it has been a while. And how are you?

How are Issa and the kids doing? They're doing fine. We're on a spring break. My wife, Issa,

is at home, enjoying a week of solitude and therapeutic silence. And I, on the other hand,

am with three rascals gallivanting around Ontario,

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