No people find each other more absurd than lovers.

This is Pints with Jack, season 5, episode 23.

The Four Loves, Our Eros.

Good morning, everyone.

Pints with Jack is your favourite weekly C.S. Lewis podcast, where three friends, Andrew,

David and Matt, break down and discuss the works of C.S. Lewis.

This season, we're talking about love,

slowly and deliberately working our way through the four loves, the book where Lewis writes about affection, friendship, romance and charity. And since we've finished another chapter and

another love, today is another special episode. In previous months, we've interviewed people with whom we share

stalky affection and filia friendship and it's now time for eros romance. Today, Andrew and I interview

our wives, which explains the quotation at the beginning of the episode, which comes from the

Great Divorce. No people find each other more absurd than lovers.

And we begin with Mrs. Marie Bates.

Mrs. Bates, welcome to Pines with Jack.

Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.

Now, it's rather unusual for a guest to invite another guest onto the show with them.

So, would you please explain to the listeners who you have with you?

I am joined by my partner in crime, the one who I am never without, Mr. Alexander Charbel Bates.

And he's with us because he decides he didn't want to sleep.

So he's part of this interview as well.

So welcome, sir.

He's not talking, but he has been talking.

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