Going back to this idea of multiculturalism. I think there's that it's almost like politicians

They have a greater emphasis on what's different about us and they celebrate that

But they don't understand the complications that come with diversity

Is ultimately if you have if there's a great deal of cultural diversity

But you have that lack of that sort of that unifying

Set of values then you can't leave you almost have a balkanization process

And I think that's that's quite problematic because if that if there's a lack of social trust in a diverse society

Such as ours you almost lose public support for ambitious

Collectivist sort of endeavors such as the wall encompassing welfare state

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kissen and this is a show for you if you want

Honest conversations with fascinating people our brilliant guest today is a political writer and the author of an upcoming book called

Manufactured grievance which we're both really looking forward to reading Dr. Hibesan. Welcome to Trigonometry

Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to have you on been meaning to have you on for a while

For anyone who doesn't know who you are and we've been reading all your stuff and it's absolutely fascinating

Tell everybody who are you? How are you where you are? What is it that brings you to be sitting here talking to us?

So as you say, I'm a political writer. I am the author of the upcoming book manufactured grievance

In terms of my life. I was born in Hammersmith, but I moved to Luton at the age of one

So I've lived there for the past three decades and I'm particularly interested in social cohesion

How to strengthen relations between the state and citizens and all just generally how do we create a more

cohesive country and how do we enhance democratic stability in Britain and you've written a lot about race relations and the commentary that we've now seen about race and there seems to be this

interesting dynamic that's happened certainly in my lifetime in this country which is kind of similar to your 20-25 years

What are 30 years where like

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