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The Louis Theroux Podcast

S5 EP4: John Wilson on collaborating with Nathan Fielder, confronting a cult, and hating mockumentaries

The Louis Theroux Podcast

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Comedy, Arts, Society & Culture

4.11.4K Ratings

🗓️ 26 May 2025

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Summary

Louis speaks to John Wilson, fellow documentarian and creator of the cult-favourite series, How To...with John Wilson. The pair swap stories about their respective work, including discussing John’s collaborations with writer and producer Nathan Fielder, how joining an acapella group exposed him to the NXIVM sex-cult, and their shared disdain for mockumentaries. Plus, John turns the tables on Louis…   Warnings: Strong language and some adult themes.  Links/Attachments:  TV Show: ‘How To with John Wilson’ (2020-2023) - HBO  https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0cltlm3/how-to-with-john-wilson     TV Show: ‘Louis Theroux: Gambling in Las Vegas’ (2007) - BBC  https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b007957z/louis-theroux-gambling-in-las-vegas    TV Show: ‘Louis Theroux’s LA Stories’ (2014) - BBC  https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b03zjc67/louis-therouxs-la-stories     Pitch Perfect (2012)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mbsapmW0bg     Song: ‘Roxanne’, The Police (1978)  https://open.spotify.com/track/3EYOJ48Et32uATr9ZmLnAo   'El Tango de Roxanne/Roxanne Medley' - Simply Human https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAwbG5tq6yY    TV Show: ‘Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult’ (2020) - Starz  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch_4jn_m6-g    TV Show: ‘The Vow’ (2020) - HBO  https://www.hbo.com/the-vow-2020     TV Show: ‘Louis Theroux’s Weird Weekends’ (1998-2000) - BBC  https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p02q5prq/louis-therouxs-weird-weekends-series-1-1-christianity?seriesId=unsliced     The Amazing Johnathan (2019)  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9358084/     TV Show: ‘When Louis Met...Jimmy Savile’ (2000) - BBC  https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0g3zjn9/when-louis-met-series-1-jimmy-savile     TV Show: ‘Louis Theroux: America’s Most Dangerous Pets’ (2011) - BBC  https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b016yklh/louis-theroux-americas-most-dangerous-pets     TV Show: ‘Nathan For You’ (2013-2017) - Comedy Central  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2297757/     TV Show: ‘The Rehearsal’ (2022 – Present) - HBO  https://www.hbo.com/the-rehearsal     Book: The Journalist and the Murderer, Janet Malcolm (1989)  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Journalist-Murderer-Janet-Malcolm/dp/1847085342     Book: The Silent Woman: Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes, Janet Malcolm (1994)  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Silent-Woman-J-Malcolm/dp/0679751408    Book: Psychoanalysis: The Impossible Profession, Janet Malcolm (1977)  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Psychoanalysis-Impossible-Profession-Janet-Malcolm/dp/0394710347    Credits:  Producer: Millie Chu   Assistant Producer: Emilia Gill Production Manager: Francesca Bassett   Music: Miguel D’Oliveira   Audio Mixer: Tom Guest  Video Mixer: Scott Edwards   Shownotes compiled by Immie Webb  Executive Producer: Arron Fellows       A Mindhouse Production for Spotify   www.mindhouse.co.uk     Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Microphone check. Chickadee check, chickity check, microphone check.

0:09.5

Hello, Louis Theroux here. Welcome to my podcast, which I like to call the Louis Theroux podcast.

0:24.2

My guest this episode is documentary maker John Wilson,

0:31.0

best known for his Emmy-nominated series How To with John Wilson on HBO and also on BBC I player.

0:35.2

It is a, well, it's hard to describe when we talk about it in the chat,

0:37.7

but basically a first-person documentary series in which John, he's always behind the camera doing the filming, but he goes on adventures

0:43.2

around New York, drilling into random encounters. A lot of it is made up of imagery grabbed

0:49.8

on the streets of New York, painstakingly spliced together, this very fast cuts of seagulls pecking at bins

0:56.5

and then random people doing strange things in the streets.

1:00.6

A bit like a kind of, the photographer Ouija, he collects surreal juxtapositions of daily life.

1:05.8

And then in the course of it goes on an adventure by meeting someone and being sort of sucked into a

1:11.1

kind of, I don't know, like a strange, digressive journey into a subculture or a hobby of some

1:20.1

kind. And it's exec by Nathan Fielder, who you may know from Nathan for you and the

1:27.4

rehearsal.

1:28.9

We talk about him.

1:30.5

I first became aware of John, I think partly because of the Nathan Fielder connection,

1:35.5

I'd interviewed Nathan for a magazine, and then he put John on my radar,

1:39.9

and then it being on the eye player, I watched it.

1:42.5

And there's been many comparisons made between my documentaries and John's.

1:47.5

There's interesting overlap, also significant differences.

1:51.6

And then it turned out, John had seen my programs and was a fan.

1:56.1

So it made perfect sense that we should meet up.

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