World Mental Health Day was this past Saturday, and Callie and I wanted to hop on here for

just a few minutes. We're not going to take up too much of your time. But we wanted to share the

story of how each of us got started in therapy and what our journey has been like because,

as you know, if you've listened to five minutes of this show, we're both huge advocates of

therapy and we want it to be more talked about and more accepted. Yeah, and I realized I

said a Jeff this weekend. I was like, I don't think that we've ever told our stories like straight

through. I think we've had a little bit of this, a little bit of this. So I think we should jump on

and just use World Mental Health Day as an excuse to tell you kind of our journey with our own

mental health situations. The upside means living in gratitude, finding the positive in every

experience and helping other people do the same. You are now part of the movement. Welcome to a

bonus episode of the upside with Callie and Jeff. I think a lot of people are just like me. I did not

believe in therapy and I almost laughed at people who went to therapy up until I was about 38 years old.

Like I just had a mindset of why do you have to go to therapy? If you're sad, just think happy

thoughts. If you're frustrated, just finish whatever's frustrating. Like I didn't, it didn't,

I mean, I made, I think I made fun of people who went to therapy. It was really, it was bad. And

I mean, that's their face, but like, you know, would behind the scenes, oh, that person's always in

therapy or whatever, or whatever. And when I started going through my divorce, when I was about 39

years old, 38, 39 years old, I went to therapy for the very first time. And did you go because like

marriage kind of dependent on it? Like was it marriage or was it post divorce?

It was marriage. I was, I went, I started going to therapy to try to fix my marriage. And,

but I was going to individual therapy, right? And oh, so like you were going to your

untherapist because your marriage was in a bad place and you're like, how do I fix this?

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