Now, did Doug and Jim know each other?

No, we could establish no connection between the two victims, or why they would be out there at the same time.

It just appears that they went out hunting. We're in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Could have been something planned, but we couldn't uncover it.

On November 17th, 1990, Doug Estes and Jim Bennett were shot and killed within feet of one another,

out in the woods of the Fulton State game area. The two men had arrived at the game area separately,

and hadn't been hunting together, but they were killed within seconds of one another in the

same little patch of woods. What had brought the two of them together that day?

Was their meeting intentional or just a chance encounter? Trying to find the answer to this question

is why, back in 1990, the detectives had wanted to speak to a man named Gary Cremble.

And it's why in 2020, Jacinda and Susan went to speak to him too.

I don't have a seat. I tell you a whole story about that. Doug was my cousin. You were best friends.

And he got shot in the back with a 12-gauge shotgun.

Doug Estes was Gary Kremble's cousin, and the two of them had been close when they were growing up.

He was a very well-like guy. Everybody called him Festus Estes. Called him what?

Festus Estes. Estes. That's a good nickname. It was a good nickname.

Doug Estes had lived in Comstock, not far from downtown Kalamazoo, but Gary Cremble lived to the south

in a more rural part of the county. He was much closer to the Fulton game area, and much closer

to the small town surrounding it, which is how it came to be that Gary Cremble knew both of the

victims in this case.

Well, the Bennett, you know, he had a brother to Terry Bennett, and both them Bennett guys were good

people. I used to drink beer with them at that Thunderhog or whatever he's called. They

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