I'm David Soucher and this is Blood Ties.

Hi everyone, welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast. I'm Molly Wansall and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansall.

Hello everyone. Thank you as ever for listening and for taking the journey with us.

Journey's going on a long time.

The journey's years long now.

It is.

I think that's rather wonderful.

I'm fantastically impressed with it all.

And what's more,

we seem to be getting more and more listeners,

which is even more.

We're so thrilled.

We are. I can't tell you how important it is to us to get more listeners.

So if everyone listening could just tell one other friend they haven't already told about us,

we would be really grateful.

We certainly would.

And it makes such a difference to know that the audience is expanding.

Yeah.

And again, there's so much of interest out there.

One of the things that's been preoccupying me in the last few weeks

is the fascination with the perpetrators rather than the victims.

And we've talked about this, but in a true crime podcast, it's important to remember that someone

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