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Crimes of the Centuries

S5 Ep17: Faith Vs. Flag: How the Gobitis Case Tested the Limits of Religious Freedom

Crimes of the Centuries

Amber Hunt and Audioboom

True Crime, Documentary, Society & Culture, History

4.63.8K Ratings

🗓️ 7 July 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

In 1935, 12-year-old Lillian Gobitas and her little brother William were kicked out of their Pennsylvania public school — not for misbehaving, but for quietly refusing to salute the flag, which they believed went against their Jehovah’s Witness faith. Their dad sued, arguing the school had violated their right to religious freedom. But in a sweeping decision, the Supreme Court sided with the school, saying national unity outweighed First Amendment protections. The ruling sparked a wave of violence against Jehovah’s Witnesses across the country, and fueled criticism the Court had abandoned core constitutional rights.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Some crimes are so heartbreaking or shocking, they change laws, change society, or even

0:12.4

earn the label, Crime of the Century. But the stories that made headlines and decades past

0:18.9

aren't necessarily remembered today.

0:22.6

I'm Amber Hunt, a journalist and author, and in each episode of this show,

0:26.8

I'll examine a case that's maybe lesser known today, but was huge when it happened.

0:33.9

This is Crimes of the Centuries.

0:46.3

Thank you. This is Crimes of the Centuries. In the Library of Congress's repository of seminal American historical artifacts, under the file

0:53.5

name William Gabbitusitus is a single letter.

0:57.0

It's dated November 5, 1935.

1:01.0

In the cursive slanted scrawl of a fifth grade boy, Billy Gubitus wrote to inform the Minersville

1:07.3

Pennsylvania School District that he could not be a part of their public school

1:11.2

morning ritual anymore. Addressed to our school directors, the missive read, quote,

1:17.8

Dear sirs, I do not salute the flag because I have promised to do the will of God. That means

1:23.6

that I must not worship anything out of harmony with God's law. In the 20th chapter of Exodus

1:29.6

is stated, thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, nor bow down to them, nor serve them,

1:36.5

for I the Lord, thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the

1:42.4

children unto the third and fourth generation of

1:45.4

them that hate me. I am a true follower of Christ. I do not salute the flag, not because I do not

1:52.0

love my country, but I love my country and God more, and I must obey his commandments. Your pupil,

1:59.3

Billy Gabbitus, end quote.

2:02.3

Ten-year-old Billy could not have known it, but he had just tossed a hand grenade onto a

2:07.5

battlefield. It would take eight years for the dust to settle, and for him and his sister, Lillian,

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