I think that we do look at beauty a lot of times as frivolous or fading when really it's quite eternal.

Welcome to cultivating the lovely. I'm your host, Mackenzie Kappa. And around here, we know that life is hard and we have to do everything we can to just make it a little bit more lovely. So it's my

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Thanks so much for joining me today.

Ladies, Trina McNeely is on the show today.

This is one of those authors that my friend, Shell Bruises, had mentioned to me.

Just in passing, we were actually out for a walk last summer.

And she said, hey, have you thought about having La La La Lovely on the show? And I was like,

I don't even know who La La Lovely is. And then Trina's people just happened to reach out to me

just a couple of weeks later. They sent me her beautiful book. If I could create a book,

I would want it to look just like her book did. It is absolutely amazing. And it's got such a

beautiful message in it as well. And hello, we have a lot in common with the whole lovely

theory, but also cultivating the loveliness, capturing the loveliness, appreciating beauty

in the midst of when life is not necessarily so easy. And so I had a lovely

conversation with Trina recently about how to capture some of that lovely during the holidays,

even when it doesn't feel like maybe you want to do that in the holidays so much. But how to

kind of make the holidays beautiful and lovely and

capture those times, even if they aren't the most picturesque holidays that you would ever want to

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