S5 E39 Having Revelation and Faith, Even When the Journey Isn't What We Expected (Numbers)
The Scriptures Are Real
Kerry Muhlestein
4.8 • 539 Ratings
🗓️ 3 May 2026
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Join us for the most spiritually uplifting week imaginable on the Momentum 27 West cruise. We will leave from San Diego and go to Cabo San Lucas and other great ports. I will speak as well as Elaine Dalton, Jasen Wade, and others. Jenny Oaks Baker and Nathan Pacheco will also perform. Use the promo code KERRY for a discount at https://www.goanddotravel.com/momentum-27-west-2
For fantastic extra content, join us at https://www.patreon.com/c/EnlightenEdgeEDU , where you will also be supporting the podcast. This week the extra content will help learn more about elements of the Law of Moses that bring us to Christ with Kerry.
In this episode Kerry and Josh Matson discuss how we learn about our mortal journey from the journey of the Israelites in the wilderness, and what it can teach us about how to grow faith when the journey doesn't go as we thought it would. Then Kerry and Michael Biggerstaff talk about how we can learn about the role of prophets and the necessity of our having the Spirit of Revelation in our lives. They also discuss unexpected lessons from the fiery snakes and the brass serpent.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the scriptures are real. |
| 0:11.3 | I am so glad that you're part of our podcast family and the wonderful things we do together and that you're joining us and you're going to be glad that you joined us on this our second episode as we |
| 0:21.4 | come to understand what we need to understand to keep getting more out of the Old Testament for |
| 0:26.8 | the rest of the year so many powerful things so we're going to start out with dr. Joshua |
| 0:30.5 | Mattson who is going to explore further the symbolism of our journey in the wilderness and things |
| 0:37.2 | that we can learn from that, |
| 0:38.1 | and especially what to do when it's just not working out the way we thought it would. |
| 0:41.8 | So that's going to be a fantastic segment. |
| 0:43.7 | After that, we're going to be with Dr. Michael Biggerstaff, |
| 0:46.3 | and we're going to go through things about revelation and why revelation is necessary for all of us |
| 0:51.6 | and what we learn from the book of numbers about that and about |
| 0:54.9 | the snakes and the fiery snakes and symbolism in there. Just fantastic stuff. So let's jump in. |
| 1:01.0 | Here we go with Dr. Mattson. Well, welcome to another segment. We are still talking about the |
| 1:06.0 | Book of Numbers, a book that I just love so much. And we have a familiar guest with us from our roundtables |
| 1:12.0 | and other great episodes that you've been in over the years. In fact, I'm going to pause for a |
| 1:17.2 | minute. I didn't think about this, but I just figured out this morning that we've just, |
| 1:21.3 | sometime a little while ago, passed having 5,500,000 views. Oh, wow views or listens in the lifetime of the podcast. |
| 1:32.6 | So I didn't even realize we'd gotten to 5 million. |
| 1:34.6 | So anyway, that's a little celebration for us. |
| 1:36.9 | That's a lot of great spiritual content that you've helped us create, Josh. |
| 1:41.6 | So thank you for that. |
| 1:42.6 | Well, no. |
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