It's very difficult to just sit by yourself or even sit with your team and make something that people actually want.

Because while you're working on your startup, the world is kind of chugging along and best practices are changing and competitors are being made.

So unless you're consistently talking to people and getting rejected or getting new customers, you're not going to know how existing workflows

work and you're not going to know what's missing or what could be better and you're not going to

know how to pitch it. Get customers as soon as possible, even if it takes 99 rejections and then

work with those customers to make something that people actually want.

My name is Colin. I'm the co-founder and CEO of Larry's CI.

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Colin Chardier started making video games when he was young.

He used to play Warcraft 3, which had a powerful map editor for its users. He recalls that one game

map was called Goblet Exploration, where you were stuck in the middle of nowhere and you had to make

civilization. He found that this was really good for learning how to make things that people wanted.

He lives in Toronto and is a 20-minute bike ride from the waterfront. Many days, he will head down to the beach and work from there,

and he enjoys getting outdoors when he doesn't have too many calls scheduled that day.

In his prior startup, he found that he and his team were very sensitive to breaking changes,

as it was critical to deliver information in a timely manner,

so much so that his customers would churn if anything broke in the critical chain.

He created something to fill this gap at his prior venture,

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