Pints with Jack, season four, episode 29.

After Hours with Dr. Holly Ordway.

Welcome, everyone.

Pints with Jack is your weekly CS-Lewis podcast,

where Matt, Andrew and I break down and discuss the works of C.S. Louis.

This season, we're eavesdropping on the correspondence

of a senior demon, Screw Tate, as he explains how to tempt the patient, a human assigned to be tempted

by Screw Tate's nephew, Wormwood. Each week will be considering a different letter, untwesting

screwtap's hellish logic, and forming a battle plan for our own spiritual lives. However,

today is a Thursday, and it's therefore

an after-hours episode. Now, you may recall that last season we spoke to Dr. Diana Glyer, who

explained that the established narrative around the literary influence of the inklings wasn't exactly

correct. It was commonly thought that the inklings didn't influence each other.

And it's often exemplified by Lewis's comment that no one ever influenced Tolkien,

you might as well try to influence a band-a-snatch. Well, today we have on the show Dr.

Holly Ordway, and in her new book, she asks us to re-evaluate some other narratives surrounding

the creator of the Lord of the Rings.

Dr. Holly Ordway is the Fellow of Faith and Culture for Word on Fire Institute. Her writing, speaking,

and teaching at the Institute focuses on imaginative and literary apologetics and on the work of J.R.R. Tolkien.

She is also visiting Professor of Apologetics at Houston Baptist

University. In addition to writing articles, essays and poems, in pre-COVID days, she traveled in the

U.S. and internationally as a guest speaker. She's written a number of books, apologetics and the

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