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Strange and Unexplained with Daisy Eagan

S4 Ep48: Say What Now? The Copiales 3 Cipher

Strange and Unexplained with Daisy Eagan

Strange and Unexplained with Daisy Eagan

True Crime, Society & Culture, Science

4.110K Ratings

🗓️ 3 April 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

For more than two and a half centuries a mystifying cipher sat undecoded, passed around as an oddity. Finally, in 2011 a team of smart people got together and solved it. But their answers seemed to only reveal more questions.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Did you ever fantasize about being a codebreaker?

0:07.8

Did you write letters and lemon juice for your friends to hold over candlelight to read?

0:12.5

Did you love getting secret messages or long for a little orphan Annie Decoder ring like a real-life spy or double agent would surely have?

0:22.3

Welcome to strange and unexplained with me, Daisy Egan.

0:25.8

When I was little, I wanted to be a spy in the fashion of Harriet the Spy.

0:29.9

I loved those spy activity books you could pick up at freeway rest stops,

0:33.8

and I was absolutely Gaga over the old computer game where in the world is Carmen

0:38.6

San Diego. These days, I like escape rooms and still go for video games that involve puzzle

0:44.3

solving. But when it comes to code breaking, I need that shit to not have more symbols than there

0:50.0

are letters in the English alphabet. My brain can only keep track of so much before it starts to wander and think about when

0:56.9

I can take a nap.

0:58.4

Plus, the decoded message better be clear and straightforward.

1:02.0

I spend all that time decoding only to find a weird message I still can't really understand.

1:07.8

I'm going to be pissed.

1:10.2

Fortunately, for everyone, I did not become a spy or any kind of master decoder.

1:15.0

I became the guy who tells the stories of the spy and the master decoder.

1:19.7

Today's story is about a coded message whose answers seem to mostly reveal more questions.

1:42.3

Music mostly reveal more questions. The Kopiali-ali cipher is a codex, that is a whole book written in code, that dates back to the 1730s.

1:49.9

It is a small volume with an ornate green cover, inside which the handwritten text consists of 75,000 characters filling 105 pages.

2:04.1

The script inside the book is virtually unintelligible.

2:10.1

It includes abstract symbols and letters from both the Greek and Roman alphabets. The only easily readable part of the book is the cover where Philip 1866 appears and Copialis 3 at the end, from which the title has been taken. Copialis is a Latin

2:21.8

word relating to the modern word code, and it is thought that the number three refers to the

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