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and remember to hit Follow, so you never miss an episode. Hello everyone and welcome to the Focus Group Podcast. I'm Sarah Longwell, publisher of the

Bullwork and this week we're covering a guy whose rollout on the national stage has gone

worse than the Obamacare website.

I'm talking about J.D. Vance.

As soon as Vance joined Trump's ticket,

everyone remembered that he'd done things like say Trump maybe,

America's Hitler and called him cultural heroin. That was before he befriended Tucker Carlson,

Peter Teal, and Donald Trump Jr. and said the country is run by a bunch of childless cat ladies.

But crazy though he may be, Vance is indicative of a new strain of thinking in

the GOP that will outlast Trump regardless of how this election turns out. And that is what I want to talk about today. My guest is Ian Ward from Politico, who spent quite a lot of time with Vance over the last couple years and has been really grappling with what this new right means for the future of the GOP.

Ian, thanks for being here.

Thanks for having me.

So you just wrote a big piece about Project 2025, which is excellent and I recommend to everybody.

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