Hi, I'm Molly Wansall.

And I'm Geoffrey Wansel.

And for the last 16 years or thereabouts, we've been having lunch every Saturday, and often our conversation turns to murder.

Which is what prompted us to start this true crime podcast called Blood Ties.

Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast. I'm Molly W Wansel and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansel.

Hello everyone, welcome back. Thank you for listening. Thank you for enjoying these tales of the macabre and dangerous world we live in.

Yeah, they're killers amongst us. Yes, a killer in our midst.

They walk among us or whatever.

You were just telling me, Moe, that you wrote to the Generation Game. No, I wrote to Jim Will Fix It. You wrote to Jim or Fix It. And I feel very ashamed. Don't think you... Because I was obsessed. Our last podcast, I'm sure you'll remember, was about the Bullseye Killer. And after we finished recording it, I sang the theme tune to Big Break,

which was another game show that was on.

When were those on like the 90s?

I think so.

Because I watched them when I was a kid, Bullseye and then Big Break was one where you had to win things by playing snooker.

Yes.

And then the generation game was one with Bruce Forsyth used to host,

and I wanted Dad to go on it with me so bad.

The general premise was it was like two members of a family,

like an uncle and a niece or like,

and obviously would have been perfect combo for me and dad to go on

because we were very good at gaming generally.

And you had to sort of

win you had to do tasks and and then you won prizes you had to do like build things with clay

...