Hey everyone. Welcome back to Seeking Witchcraft. It's me, Ashley, and today I have on Ageny and Ren,

and the three of us, mostly them, but the three of us are going to be discussing a really interesting

topic that I think is going to cause some really serious thinking and contemplation for everyone,

both during this discussion itself and well after it's done.

This is a topic about using virtual reality in witchcraft spaces.

And this is also a topic that I first heard discussed by Ashinae about a year and a half ago.

It was quite some time ago.

When she first brought this up, I was on a call with some other people and she was asking

about what we thought

of the possibility of doing witchcraft in VR. And I got to tell you, my initial reaction was I was

completely against it. I was like absolutely no way. But it wasn't just me on the call. I was there

with her and a couple of other friends and I was like, okay, well, let me listen to them talk about

it. And by the end of that call, I ended up with a different perspective,

and I think I'm much more willing to be open to this as a possibility than when I first heard

about it. But if you're like me and how I first thought about it right off the bat of thinking

absolutely not, there's no way this could be a thing. Not now, not ever. I challenge you to at least

hear out this episode and the discussion and hear what everybody has to say about it. I mean,

I'll let you know when we were brainstorming together, come up for this topic. We ended up

discussing for quite a long period of time. And, you know, Ren and Agene were off talking about

this one topic because

they're both well versed in VR. And they would have this really long, you know, thought about a

particular thing. And then maybe it'd be like a 10 minute long thought. And like two minutes in,

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