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Oh good podcast by the way. So, Lauren, we're early today, but it's because we've got an extra podcast

Garrett. You'll get your regular Scrum 5 at 5 this afternoon or shortly after 5

whenever I do to publish it but we've got an extra podcast for you. It's out a little bit early because it's the

BBC's LGBT plus History Month and I've been speaking to an MLR player, Devon E. Vanez, who has recently come out, well, one of the

favourite players who's come out as being gay. So he talks about that. He talks about

the reaction he's had about the way Nigel Owens

Gary Thomas has inspired him and about a man called Mark Bingham as well I won't say

much more about him but shamefully I did know a lot about him he was a huge

inspiration to the gay rugby community I let Devon talk a bit more about him but he actually

started he's overplaying in America now but he starts by talk about

more about 10 but he actually started over playing in America now but he starts by

talking to us about his time playing rugby in the UK.

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