S4 E29 Deceived: Lessons on Light Versus Darkness (D&C 49-50)
The Scriptures Are Real
Kerry Muhlestein
4.8 • 540 Ratings
🗓️ 18 May 2025
⏱️ 70 minutes
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Janiece Johnson and Kerry discuss important and hard lessons that are learned in the early Church as they figured out what were appropriate manifestations of the Spirit, and how Satan imitates revelation. They look at how God revealed to His prophet the things they, and we, need to learn in order to avoid being deceived. They help us see the need for growing in our revelatory relationship with God. They explore how misunderstanding God's revelatory process can lead to us being "overthrown", and how we can grow in the light and thus overcoming darkness rather than being overcome by it. They look at how that which is worldly and fallen lead to deception as well. They focus on how Christ is the one who overcomes, and that if we don't come to Christ and accept His light in His way we will be overcome rather than overcoming through Christ. They also look at how important it is to follow the revelation we receive, and how we need to use it to know what voices to listen to and what to accept from the voices around us.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Scriptures A Real Podcast. |
| 0:11.9 | This is the podcast where we talk about elements of the scriptures that make them real to us |
| 0:15.8 | so we can draw more power out of them because we need all the help we can get. |
| 0:19.7 | I'm your host, Kerry Mealstein, and I am so happy to have with us a returning guest. This is Janice Johnson. Thanks for being with us, Janice. It's good to be here, Carrie. So we'll remind our audience that Janice was with us when we did Section 6 through 9. Fantastic episode. I loved that. Thank you for that. and we introduced Janice then, or Dr. Johnson, I should say. |
| 0:42.0 | And so this time we'll just let her tell us a little bit more about herself. And then I'm excited. |
| 0:48.6 | I know she's written about some of the sections we're going to cover today. In fact, it's going to be a special episode. |
| 0:53.4 | So after she's told us about herself, I'll introduce the episode. |
| 0:57.0 | Thanks. So I don't know what to say about myself, but I have been thinking about these |
| 1:03.3 | sections, particularly because I wrote a little book on Revelation and the Doctrine |
| 1:07.9 | and Covenants. And my thesis is basically that through Joseph Smith, |
| 1:13.2 | we get a theology of revelatory abundance. And I think that these sections, really the 50s up |
| 1:22.3 | into the 60s, give us a lot of kind of what I call cautionary tales. And people are learning the process of |
| 1:34.1 | revelation. They're growing into the principle of revelation. And that's not going to go smoothly. |
| 1:39.9 | And there are going to be some times where people get it really wrong, but they're learning |
| 1:45.2 | the process. |
| 1:46.1 | And so I think that there is a lot, particularly in these sections that we're going to talk |
| 1:51.4 | about today, that maybe function differently than we would kind of, than our first impulse |
| 1:59.5 | might be. And I think that that's really important to |
| 2:03.4 | pay attention when the Lord lays out a pattern that maybe doesn't follow what we expect. |
| 2:11.0 | That's, which is so often the case with Revelation. Yeah. God is going to be different than we |
| 2:15.8 | expect because he's not like us. But that's fantastic. And that's part of why you had so much great stuff to say on Section 6 through 9. That's about Revelation. I see a real, I mean, it's a pattern that's being repeated in this dispensation that I think we see, for example, pretty clearly when Moses is starting |
| 2:34.8 | his dispensation, I think each time things are being reestablished, this is something we're going |
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