You're about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about the

podcast I work on. I'm Dan Clark and I commissioned factual podcasts at the BBC.

It's a massive area but I'd sum it up as stories to help us make sense of the forces shaping the world.

What podcasting does is give us the space and the time to take brilliant BBC journalism

and tell amazing compelling stories that really get behind the headlines.

And what I get really excited about is when we find a way of drawing you into a subject

you might not even have thought you were interested in.

Whether it's investigations, science, tech, politics, culture, true crime, the environment,

you can always discover more with a podcast on BBC Sounds.

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Mates,

Mates, he'll be here,

mate he'll be here.

Don't worry.

He's just rugby players, training goes on, meetings go on.

You know what it's like.

You must have waited for rugby players who interviews for years.

Yeah, I know, but I know, and know he said Japerise, but the weird thing is I sort of put this window in and then I've got to go do another interview in half an hour and if he's half an hour late, then not into his half an hour late and sort of everything piles up

and right now I'm just getting a little bit tetchy

because yeah if he's another 10 15 20 minutes late again then we're in trouble and I don't want to, I don't want to

stand in my, yeah, but surely it's a win-win because then I could just take over then,

couldn't I? As my co-presenter status, I could just take the reins, couldn't I?

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