S4 E 47 The Truth about Zion's Camp (D&C 102-105)
The Scriptures Are Real
Kerry Muhlestein
4.8 • 540 Ratings
🗓️ 14 September 2025
⏱️ 57 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Summary
There are only a few spots left for our amazing Kirtland Workshop. We have never done something so on-site intensive and intimate in Kirtland and probably never will again. If you want to truly understand and wrap up understanding the crucial Kirtland era, as we finish it in Come Follow Me, visit outofthedust.org to learn more and register. Only a very few rooms left!
In this episode Matt Godfrey and Kerry discuss how the terrible persecutions in Missouri and how it lead to Zion's Camp. They talk about what the intent really was, how difficult it was to put it together, and how difficult the whole thing was. They explore the shortcomings in putting it together and the shortcomings throughout, and also the inspiring things and the things that changed them and sanctified them. They help us understand what is really going on in this misunderstood episode in church history.
We are grateful for our executive producers, M. Rosema, B. Fisher, J. Beardall, D. Anderson, and H. Umphlett, and for all our generous and loyal donors. We are also very grateful for all our Patreon members. We are so thankful for Beehive Broadcasting for producing the podcast and for Rich Nicholls, who composed and plays the music for the podcast.
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the scriptures are real podcast. |
| 0:11.9 | This is the podcast where we talk about elements of the scriptures that help them become more real to us so we can draw more power out of them because we need all the help we can get. |
| 0:20.3 | I'm your host, Carrie Milstein, |
| 0:21.5 | and I'm so glad to have with me today, Dr. Matthew Godfrey, a returning guest. Thanks for being |
| 0:27.8 | with us, Matt. Thanks, Carrie. I'm super excited to be here. Always enjoy being with you and talking |
| 0:34.7 | about the scriptures with you. Well, it makes me happy, and you've blessed us so much. |
| 0:40.3 | I'll remind our listeners that Dr. Godfrey was with us before when we did sections earlier. |
| 0:48.1 | We talked about several sections, including a little bit, one of the sections in today's, |
| 0:52.3 | or this week's reading. |
| 0:54.0 | We talked about |
| 0:55.0 | the united firm i mean yeah the united firm and the literary firm that was episode 34 so you |
| 1:02.0 | can both learn more about dr godfrey then and because section 104 it touches on that and we |
| 1:07.8 | talked about it in that episode I highly recommend that episode |
| 1:11.4 | to you can go back and kind of catch up on what was going on there we probably |
| 1:15.1 | won't talk about it here but let me just tell everyone a little bit about you |
| 1:18.9 | Matt if that's okay sure dr. Godfrey is works for the churches church history |
| 1:25.4 | department and he's been part of the jose smith papers and so on |
| 1:29.7 | but is also part of their public outreach efforts i suppose we may be part of that way you thank |
| 1:36.2 | you for reaching out to us um and is just a great scholar and a great member of the church a great guy |
| 1:42.2 | uh what else should we know about you, Matt? |
| 1:54.2 | Oh, man, I, I'm happy today to be talking about Zion's Camp revelations because I love Zion's camp. One of my assignments on the Joseph Smith papers was to be one of the historians on documents volume four, |
| 2:03.2 | which covers the Zion's Camp Expedition. And so stemming for my research on that, I've published |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Kerry Muhlestein, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of Kerry Muhlestein and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.