S4: BONUS EP 1 — The Lying Experts

Betrayal: Weekly

iHeartPodcasts and Glass Podcasts

True Crime, Society & Culture, Relationships

3.7 • 6.2K Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Curious about the psychology of pathological liars, Andrea talks with two leading experts. For more from Dr. Drew Curtis and Dr. Christian Hart, check out their book Big Liars: What Psychological Science Tells Us About Lying and How You Can Avoid Being Duped.

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0:00.0	This is an IHeart podcast.
0:04.3	How could a beautiful young first grade teacher be stabbed 20 times, including in the bat,
0:12.3	allegedly die of suicide?
0:14.8	Yes, that was the medical examiner's official ruling.
0:18.5	After a closed door meeting, he first named it a homicide. Why? What
0:23.4	happened to Ellen Greenberg? A huge American miscarriage of justice. For an in-depth, look at the facts.
0:33.9	See what happened to Ellen on Amazon. All proceeds to the National Center for Missing and Exploited
0:42.7	Children.
0:53.2	Hi guys, it's Andrea with a bonus episode.
0:57.4	This season on betrayal, we're telling the story of Caroline Brega.
1:01.9	After two decades of marriage, she discovered that her entire life was a mirage.
1:07.3	Her husband, Joel, an honorable cop, was anything but.
1:11.6	For years, he'd been spending his time on the clock having sex in his police car.
1:16.5	On top of that, he'd had dozens of affairs.
1:20.8	For Caroline, this betrayal was not just about what Joel did.
1:24.8	It was about the lengths he went to to cover it all up.
1:28.2	Our marriage has just been lie after lie after lie.
1:31.9	Day after day, Joel deceived her. He lied about where he was, who he was with, and what he
1:38.7	was really up to all those long nights on duty. And even during his investigation by the Colorado Springs Police Department,
1:46.4	when he signed a document guaranteeing honesty,
1:49.5	he continued to hide the truth.
1:51.5	To me, this is the most disturbing piece of the entire case.
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