Welcome to the Standard of Truth podcast. In this podcast, Dr. Garrett Dirkmont and Professor Richard

Luduke explore the early history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the

life and teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith. They examine the original historical sources and

provide context for events of the past.

They approach the history of the church with faith, expertise, and humor.

Hi, welcome to another episode of the Standard of Truth podcast. I'm not going to another episode of the Standard of Truth podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Garrett Dirkmont,

and I'm joined by my friend just so close to being doctor. Well, I mean, not according to his committee,

Professor Richard Luduke. Hello, Garrett. I did submit the dissertation proposal for approval. I only have probably a series of 38 edits back and forth before we're pressing on.

So I got a congratulations from a coworker this week.

I said, congratulations.

That's, that's wonderful.

And I was like, thank you so much.

That's so nice of you.

And then I listed out all the steps that are left.

And then he said, I'm so sorry for your loss. Right.

So it is one of the things that people who haven't gone to graduate school don't realize

that it's, you know, it's kind of like the song from Lame is Rob.

I mean, there's a grief that can't be spoken.

There's a pain goes on and on.

It's not so much empty chairs and empty tables.

But, I mean, it is, it's a cloud that hangs over you.

Well, it's the opening scene is the way I've seen it.

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