S37 E4: Nerds Love Code | The Expert Witness
The Expert Witness from Uncover
CBC
4.5 • 10.9K Ratings
🗓️ 1 June 2026
⏱️ 28 minutes
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Summary
Don Malarcik might finally uncover how Cybercheck works, as its creator Adam Mosher travels to Ohio to demonstrate the software to Don’s legal team and independent experts. While parts of the program appear functional, its core AI remains hidden, and Mosher refuses to provide full access or explain how it reaches conclusions that place suspects at crime scenes. His answers raise concerns about bias, and when he claims Cybercheck was peer-reviewed by a Canadian university, Don discovers the university denies any involvement. Believing this proves Mosher misled the court, Don prepares for a decisive hearing that could determine whether Cybercheck is legitimate evidence—or junk science.
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| 0:00.0 | To some, AI chatbots are helpful tools. |
| 0:03.2 | To others, an existential threat. |
| 0:05.9 | But what happens when someone falls in love with one? |
| 0:09.0 | I can't believe I'm doing this with somebody that's not a human. |
| 0:12.5 | What if a chatbot makes you lose your grip on reality? |
| 0:15.8 | She said that her life work was advocating for AI rights because they're sentient and they're enslaved. |
| 0:21.8 | Understood. Artificial Intimacy. Available now on CBC Listen or wherever you get your podcasts. |
| 0:31.2 | This is a CBC podcast. |
| 0:35.7 | The Ohio defense firm's office looked like it had turned into a game of Tetris. |
| 0:41.6 | Every few seconds, it seemed, another brick would fall in the form of a box of documents. |
| 0:48.3 | Ever since Akron's courts became backlogged, the bricks were piling higher and higher without |
| 0:53.9 | anyone being able to clear a line. |
| 0:56.5 | And now that Don had agreed to take on all cybercheck cases in Akron, the bricks were falling |
| 1:02.1 | faster than ever. Each labeled in marker, cyber shit. Inside each of these boxes was a different |
| 1:10.4 | chapter of the same story. |
| 1:14.5 | A horrific cold case killing, leaving families and friends of the victims with unanswered grief. |
| 1:21.6 | But then for the investigators who were stumped, for the people waiting for justice, |
| 1:26.8 | there was finally hope, finally a breakthrough. |
| 1:31.3 | Cybercheck was here, and Don Milarcic just wanted it gone. |
| 1:40.5 | In the fall of 2023, the Ohio defense team still knew very little about the inner workings of the |
| 1:48.0 | thing. They didn't know if Cybercheck really worked or not. All they knew from what they'd learned |
| 1:54.1 | about what went down in Colorado and from their own run-ins with the man was that the creator of |
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