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Allison after NXIVM from Uncover

S35 E7: The Lotus Flower | Allison after NXIVM

Allison after NXIVM from Uncover

CBC

True Crime

4.610K Ratings

🗓️ 15 December 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Six months out of prison, Allison Mack is trying to rebuild her life. A chance encounter at a dog park leads her to an unexpected relationship with Frank Meeink, a reformed neo-Nazi who understands the messy work of cult deprogramming. As Allison reflects on her role in NXIVM and the harm she caused, she confronts the question of whether she can trust herself again. Natalie accompanies Allison to a tattoo parlor in LA’s East Side, where Allison is covering her brand, transforming a mark of ownership into a symbol of renewal.



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0:00.0

Hey Canada, it's me, Gavin Crawford, host of Because News.

0:03.7

Each week, I put comedians on the spot with a pop quiz about the headlines.

0:07.9

This week, we're talking about the monster of Alberta Premier Danielle Smith's own making,

0:12.8

Wayne Gretzky's incredible pronunciation skills,

0:15.8

and the one kind of Christmas toy experts are all calling dangerous.

0:19.7

Miguel Revis, Emma Hunter, and Gene Yune are here, so laugh along as we try to make sense

0:24.4

of the headlines.

0:25.5

Follow because news on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts for free.

0:32.0

This is a CBC podcast.

0:36.7

Campsite media.

0:44.2

It's December

0:45.4

2023 in Southern California,

0:48.4

where the perpetual sun suspends seasons,

0:51.4

the only hint of mock winter

0:53.1

curling its way into cool mornings and crisp nights.

0:57.3

But Alison Mack is acutely aware of time. She's now about six months out of prison, and her days

1:05.3

are mapped out by what is still to be done, a thousand hours of community service and three years probation.

1:13.1

She's using a voice recorder, given to her by director and playwright Stephen Belber,

1:18.3

who Allison met when she was still in nexium, to keep a sort of audio diary.

1:24.1

Allison is describing a conversation she had with an older man about trying to get a job after prison.

1:32.0

I was talking to an older gentleman there who was just trying to help me figure out what I could do for a job.

1:38.6

Allison tells this man she's recently come out of prison.

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