S31E12: Messy | Olivia Nuzzi, Ryan Lizza, RFK Jr.
Trashy Divorces
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4.5 • 2.2K Ratings
🗓️ 7 December 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
For a certain kind of political obsessive, the Trumpworld dispatches penned by Olivia Nuzzi in the first term were almost too on-the-nose. Still in her 20s then, her ability to paint the distorted, distorting figures that inhabited the era in prose was always interesting and often revelatory. And then, she fell in love with a subject, then-presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and her life, her job, and her engagement to fellow journalist Ryan Lizza imploded. A year on, the release of a memoir purportedly about these events has her back in the news, but absolutely nothing is going according to plan.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Trashy Divorces, everybody's favorite good podcast about bad relationships. |
| 0:06.8 | I am Alicia. That is Stacey. Hi, Stacey. |
| 0:09.9 | Hello, Alicia. Hello, everyone. |
| 0:11.6 | We are really going into Marital Misadventure today, but some pre-marital misadventure, some marital misadventure. |
| 0:19.7 | This one really does have all the trash. |
| 0:23.1 | We have never composed a story this way, but it is happening in real time. Today we're going to talk |
| 0:30.6 | about the media scandal, the political scandal. This is a little. Personal scandal. |
| 0:36.7 | Olivia Nutsi, Ryan Liza, R.FK Jr. |
| 0:41.6 | And Spider-Webs. |
| 0:42.8 | And a whole great big mess. |
| 0:44.6 | It's a lot. |
| 0:45.8 | Thank you for joining us today as we get into some very bad relationships, |
| 0:51.4 | not only in between people, but some really maybe struggles within ourselves. |
| 0:58.4 | And our world. |
| 1:00.3 | Yes, our world. |
| 1:02.6 | If we are going to kick off this, tis the trashy season of whatever this is. |
| 1:09.4 | The whole messa now. |
| 1:14.6 | The whole messa now. We better. Go, go, go. Oh, boy, everybody. There's a lot to get into in this one. I am not going to use the term we call it here within the United States. Over across the pond, they have a thing that is like our AITA, but they call it, am I being unreasonable? And everyone here in this story, I think, if I had to judge based on the Reddit trend of, |
| 1:52.1 | yes, you are being unreasonable, or no, you're not being unreasonable, or the middle ground |
| 1:58.4 | of everyone sucks here. |
| 2:02.1 | Everyone sucks here except for some of the peripheral players, but even some of them suck. |
| 2:07.8 | There's a lot of suckage in this story. |
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