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Today I have a really cool interview

that's a long time coming.

This is with a woman named Jan, and for those of you who go way way back into the days of the

TMS wiki where before there was social media in the space at least for me before a podcast before my

YouTube channel even before my website actually before my first book I used to go on the TMS wiki and I remember there was this woman named Jan and she was a beloved Grand Eagle which was a name that was given to people who really post a lot and share a lot of wisdom and

knowledge on the TMS wiki and what the TMS wiki is is it's a group of people could really get together and talk and it was the first place that people

could really get together and talk and it's still going on. TMS Wiki.org if you're interested. But anyway, Jan is wonderful because throughout all these years she is stuck by being a person who is of service to put herself out to the TMS community to be supportive to those people who are walking the path and doing the work and what I noticed, although Jan and I never met, is that I was always being tagged in her posts and she was just a real fan of the podcast posting different episodes bringing people's awareness to different things I was discussing. And so we reached out to Jan and

said, hey, what's your story? Do you want to come on the pod? And she ended up writing us

back a really fascinating tale of rheumatoid arthritis. And you know a lot of people come to this work with

autoimmune disease because although I am not suggesting that doing this mind body work and the journal speak is going to eliminate the findings of autoimmune disease in your blood.

I don't I cannot promise that but what I can tell you anecdotally is over the

years many many people who have come to this work with flaring autoimmune disease

whether that's RA or lupus or different skin disorders, different stomach disorders.

Suriasis, that's the one that was coming to mind, have told me that in doing this work and

living this work they have no more flares. Now Jan is still walking the line

between medication and different you know topical treatments but is more and more understanding

that the TMS that she has healed in her life which are many other various

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