Welcome to the Cure for Chronic Pain Podcast with me, Nicole Sachs.

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Today I bring you an awesome interview with Karen.

And Karen is an OG.

She sat in the Rusk Institute opposite Dr. Sarno just like I did back in the day and he was just such a character.

It was so, it wasn't fun when you were in pain. He was rough when you were in pain. Like you might have heard an interview I've given with my former client, Mouse, about when she visited him.

But what he said to Karen was, you know, hogwash when she said,

you know, all the physical manifestations of her pain and why she was so nervous that they were structural and with Mouse she was

Standing in his office and she said I'm sorry Dr. Sarno, I can stand but I can't sit.

You know, my pain is such that I'm not able to sit and he said, well, I'm not going to be able to help you if you

don't sit down. Anyone can sit, have a seat.

And by the time she was done with her discussion with him, she had been sitting the whole time

and hadn't even realized it because it is not that the pain is in your head it is not that you are making it up however

because the nervous system is so affected by the messages it receives from us, we can't always will it, but we can't in fact circumvent

some of those pain signals in the moment for short periods of time when we are given no choice other than to follow the directives that either the situation or another person is presenting.

So when he said, have a seat, you know, and he was such a person of authority, Mouse had to have a seat and of course, if you know her story, you can certainly look her up on the podcast. She's been on it twice, I believe. She's totally symptom free. She's amazing. So and after like the craziest symptom story. So,

Karen's is not quite as crazy as mouse, but Karen had migraines she had back pain and she still has the

symptoms of persistent allergies and we actually kind of delve into a bit of a real-time

heal about that on this episode, so look forward to that.

I just love hearing from you guys. I love talking to you. This is it, guys, this is the stuff. This is the point, you know this is it guys this is the stuff this is the point you know we are

walking around living a human life which is fraught which is also full of huge crazy joy and celebration and love and tears and all of it.

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