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Foul Play: Crime Series

S3 Ep6: The Maps, The Interrogation Tapes: Decoding Herzog

Foul Play: Crime Series

Shane L. Waters, Wendy Cee, Gemma Hoskins

True Crime, Society & Culture, News, Daily News, History

4.4986 Ratings

🗓️ 17 June 2020

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

In the sixth episode of "The Maps," titled "The Interrogation Tapes: Decoding Herzog," hosts Shane and Wendy offer listeners a unique and psychologically intriguing experience. They delve into the police interrogations of Loren Herzog, one of the notorious Speed Freak Killers, with the assistance of a professional Behavior Detection Analyst.

The episode centers around two critical dates: November 20th, 1998, and February 1st, 1999. These are the days when Herzog underwent his first police interrogations, moments filled with tension, revelation, and psychological maneuvering. Shane and Wendy, along with the Behavior Detection Analyst, break down these interrogations, offering listeners an in-depth look at how Herzog responded under pressure, the tactics used by the police, and the subtle cues that reveal more than words alone.

Listeners will be guided through the complex dance of interrogation – the questions posed, Herzog's responses, his body language, and the underlying psychological tactics at play. This analytical approach provides a rare glimpse into the mind of a killer during the early stages of investigation, highlighting how detectives work to uncover the truth in the face of manipulation and deceit.

"The Interrogation Tapes: Decoding Herzog" is not just an episode about criminal investigation; it's a journey into the realms of psychology and behavior analysis. It promises to be an enlightening and engaging experience for those fascinated by the inner workings of criminal minds and law enforcement techniques.

For a deeper dive into this intriguing aspect of the Speed Freak Killers case, visit itsfoulplay.com, where the search for understanding continues beyond the confines of the interrogation room.

Transcript

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I'm going to Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Lauren Herzog was originally questioned about the disappearance of

0:36.6

Cindy Vandra-Heiden on November 20th in 1998, less than a week after she went missing.

0:44.7

You can find parts of his police interview on YouTube.

0:48.8

We presented this video of his interview, along with a few others, to someone who works for the federal

0:54.3

government and behavior detection and analysis. To set the scene in this interview,

1:01.2

Herzog is sitting in the corner of a police interview room.

1:04.8

His hair is styled into a long mullet.

1:07.7

He is wearing a pale yellow or possibly white t-shirt over his heavily tattooed arms. There is something in his

1:16.0

breast pocket of his t-shirt, possibly a pack of cigarettes. He has a pair of

1:22.1

sunglasses, pushed back on his head.

1:25.0

The interview is being conducted by San Joaquin County Sheriff's Detective, Deborah Shuffle.

1:32.0

If you would like to watch the video in full you can find the details on our

1:37.0

show notes and in our Facebook discussion group. This is Mike's analysis of Herzog's original interview with the police.

1:47.0

My name's Mike. I work for the federal government and I do behavior detection and analysis.

1:57.0

And it's pretty much in a capacity that's not well known to the general public.

2:01.0

I've been doing this for 12 years and prior to that some of it did

2:08.1

some of it in my military service as well.

2:11.2

At some point, depending on some things here, you might have to make a real hard decision between your wife and your family and yourself and your life and your old friend West Sherman time.

2:26.0

There's no art decision at all.

2:28.0

Okay, and...

2:29.0

I've already thought you're out of families more part of you than the world to me.

2:32.0

Right.

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