S3 Ep10: The Maps, Conversation with Paul Holes: Insights and Investigations

Foul Play: Crime Series

Shane L. Waters, Wendy Cee, Gemma Hoskins

True Crime, Society & Culture, News, Daily News, History

4.4 • 986 Ratings

🗓️ 12 August 2020

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

In the tenth episode of "The Maps," hosts Shane and Wendy engage in a captivating dialogue with renowned investigator Paul Holes. This episode offers a unique opportunity for listeners to delve into Holes' extensive experience with serial killer investigations, particularly in San Joaquin, California, an area he became intimately familiar with during his pursuit of the Golden State Killer.

The episode begins with Paul Holes sharing his insights into the characteristics and behaviors of serial killers, drawing on his extensive career in criminal investigation. Shane and Wendy explore with Holes the psychological and investigative complexities of tracking such criminals, with a special focus on how these insights apply to the Speed Freak Killers and similar cases.

Listeners will be treated to an in-depth discussion about the specific challenges and breakthroughs of investigating in the San Joaquin area. Holes elaborates on the unique aspects of this region, how it has shaped and been impacted by the crimes of notorious serial killers, and the investigative techniques that proved crucial in these contexts.

"Conversation with Paul Holes: Insights and Investigations" promises to be an enlightening and engaging episode, offering rare behind-the-scenes perspectives on some of the most infamous criminal cases. It's a must-listen for true crime enthusiasts and anyone interested in the intricacies of criminal psychology and investigative strategies.

For more on this fascinating conversation and additional insights into the world of criminal investigations, visit itsfoulplay.com, where the journey into the darker aspects of human nature continues.

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0:45.0	We can see some as totally for the suspect's and take him. 3rd 17172 no water warning. 1.5.1, it's a 2er I mean,
1:04.0	a lot of trouble for the
1:05.0	and it's Oh, We were lucky enough to be able to interview Paul Holz, who was very familiar with San Joaquin County and surrounding areas of California.
1:37.0	Paul was the detective who finally identified the Golden State Killer, and it was a privilege to speak to him.
1:46.6	Hey, Shane, Wendy, this is Paul Holtz, retired cold case investigator out of Contra Costa
1:51.3	County DA's office.
1:53.0	I did 27 and a half years, 24 with Contra Costa County Sheriff's Office.
1:57.8	Mostly in forensic science, and then I moved over to the DA's office
2:01.2	where I did cold case investigation and most certainly
2:04.0	my most well-known case is the Golden State Killer and I was involved in
2:08.8	utilizing the genealogy tool to identify Joseph D. Angelo as the Golden State killer. gene And it's connected to San Juan Keaton County through a really it's it's a highway but it's a two lane road a levee road called Highway 4 which is
2:31.4	surprising because Stockton is such a major city in California, major industrial city, and the most direct route to the Bay Area is this little two lane levy road and for whatever reason they've never corrected that.
2:48.5	You have to go down south, but to Alameda County and then cross over on 580 and then go up 5 or 99 or go up 80 even up as far north of Sacramento and come down.
3:00.0	But I had no experience with Stockton until at a certain point in my investigation with the Golden State Killer case, I decided that the attacks that he committed in Stockton in September of 77 and March of 78 could potentially
3:17.0	be key to identifying who he was.
3:20.1	And that's when I ended up on that little two lane levy road for the first time to go see Stockton.
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