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Welcome to Raising Good Humans.

I'm Dr. Alisa Pressman and today I am having a conversation with Jess Gross.

She's an American journalist, an editor, and a novelist.

You definitely know her name because she writes so many incredible articles in the New York Times.

Her recent book, Screaming on the Inside, the Unsustainability of American Motherhood, is so good.

Screaming on the Inside isn't trying to criticize mothers for this unrealistic expectation that's been placed upon us.

It's just eye-opening interviews and anecdotes and research on what this experience is collectively in different contexts and communities.

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I want to first apologize because this is my own self-consciousness potentially.

But I do want to make this clear and I talk about this maybe too much.

But I'm in a field that has both contributed to easing anxiety for parents and to making it so out of control and so huge in scope

that I sometimes want to sort of pack up and just not do it because there's support for parents.

And then there's minutia details that don't support parents, give parents the particularly mothers and primary caregivers.

But they give them the impression that there is some sort of holy grail right and that if they memorize it or learn it or internalize it,

that their children will not be messed up in the future and there's a pot of gold at the end.

And that is certainly not the kind of approach I take or the work I come from, but it is inevitable.

I watch it happen every single time there's somebody or something going on out there in the world that's receiving the information in a way that makes me question the value of the work.

And I've tried to make sure that I emphasize the, you know, looking at the forest through the trees and how incredibly terrible it would be for all of our children for us to be even close to a bee plus parent.

But I know it's not believable to everybody and I know that just content is overwhelming.

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