You are going to love this episode. We have Kent Brand on, and he is so good. And I don't know if we've ever had an episode where it made the scriptures more real for me. As we talk about the things that happen to the Nephites when Christ dies and when Christ comes, Kent is masterful at helping us make this very, very real. And for me, that led me to insights right at the very, very end of the episode.

It led me to some insights that I hadn't thought of that I'm still basking in.

We also want to let you know that this week, there's a special episode. Really, it is a special

episode as a second episode that I encourage you to listen to. This is Steve Harper and me trying

to go through Section 109 in an effort to

help you study it as president nelson asked us to study it hello and welcome to the scriptures

a real podcast this is the podcast where we talk about elements of the scriptures that have helped them become more real for us because we believe that allows us to apply them to our lives better and then draw more power out of them and we need all the help we can get.

I'm your host, Kerry Milstein, and I'm so happy to have with me a former teacher and colleague and dear friend. friend this is s kent brown welcome thanks for being with us kent

thank you for the invitation we're we're just happy to have you with us um maybe i can just tell

everyone a little bit about how i know kent and what i know he's done but we'd love to hear more from you about what you and your wife have done and so on.

So Kent has his, well, I think your PhD was from Brown, if I remember correctly.

Correct.

Brown University.

I'm in early Christian studies and so on, but I know he did a lot of work on Christianity in Egypt, which is a place where we overlapped and he spent some time in Egypt doing research and so on.

But also he was the director of the Foundation for the Ancient, Foundation for Ancient Research of Mormon Studies or Farms, which has become the Maxwell Institute,

department chair of the Ancient Scripture Department, and has done all, was the director of the

Jerusalem Center a couple of different times. He was there when my wife and I were there as

students and first met. You were kind of our father figure there in a way

but uh it was running the place and then has gone back since then uh and still rides bikes just

told me he just wrote his bike 25 miles yesterday 25 miles on my bike i've done it a few times and

i feel it the next day so uh that's. So I'm saddle sore by the end of

that. But anyway, but he was riding bikes in Jerusalem and where we lived, it's up and down

...