We each have some faulty way that we are trying to meet our needs or solve our problems or avoid pain,

and none of them work except for a relationship with God.

In this episode, Dr. Jan Martin and I discussed the powerful sermons that Alma and Amulik give in Aminaiha.

We trace the development of both Alma and Amulek. We focus on their relationship with God

and how they teach the people in Aminaeha, and especially Zezraim about that, and how that applies to us

and the power of their personal experiences and their personal witnesses. And Jan gives me some

thoughts and ideas that I hadn't had before,

and we explore those a little bit together. And it's, for me, became very personally powerful and

meaningful. And I think it will for you as well.

Hello and welcome to the Scriptures or Real podcast. I'm your host, Carrie Mulesstein, and I'm so happy to have with me, a returning friend and colleague that you've all heard before and enjoyed. This is Dr. Jan Martin. Welcome. Thanks for being with us, Jan.

Hi, Carrie. Thank you. It's nice to be here again. We're just happy to have you. Well, like I said, Jan has been with us before. The last episode we did with Jan was when we did Jacob 1 through 4. I thought it was a fantastic discussion. We got a lot of wonderful feedback on that. So if you didn't hear that, we'd encourage you to go back and listen to that one. And you can get a fuller introduction

of Jan there. I'll just tell you a little bit how much I enjoy having Jan in our department,

both because of her wonderful insights and her wonderful insights into being a great teacher.

She provides so much to our department. She really thinks through teaching carefully,

and she understands the Book of Mormon so very, very department. She really thinks through teaching carefully, and she understands

the Book of Mormon so very, very well. I think you teach just a ton of Book of Mormon classes,

don't you? I do, but I also teach New Testament, but I've been heavy on the Book of Mormon,

which is great, not complaining. Yeah, and it's a blessing to our students that you teach so many Book of Mormon sections. It's a wonderful thing. I'll just tell you a little bit about Jan. She got a couple of degrees at BYU and then went to get her PhD at the University of York in the UK on 16th century English Bible translation with a focus on early Christian reformers.

So she really specializes in the language of the King James Version and Tyndale and so on and so on.

But the Book of Mormon has some interesting overlaps with those languages,

and that's also been really useful for us to hear Jan's insights on that.

But I'd say her greatest insights are typically,

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