You're about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about the

podcast I work on. I'm Dan Clark and I commissioned factual podcasts at the BBC.

It's a massive area but I'd sum it up as stories to help us make sense of the forces shaping the world.

What podcasting does is give us the space and the time to take brilliant BBC journalism

and tell amazing compelling stories that really get behind the headlines.

And what I get really excited about is when we find a way of drawing you into a subject

you might not even have thought you were interested in.

Whether it's investigations, science, tech, politics, culture, true crime, the environment,

you can always discover more with a podcast on BBC Sounds.

You're listening to BBC Sounds. Hello everyone it's the Scrum 5 podcast back from Japan and ready to go full

gas into the domestic season I'm'm Garathri Soen, I'm very excited about this pod actually.

Warren Guttland was in the building this week, he's got a book out and I'm sure you've noticed he's been everywhere.

So instead of focusing on the obvious points such as

lions, whales, his coaching, etc,

what I wanted to get was Gatlin's unique perspective on the state, well the state of the nation actually.

So especially when it comes to the regional and club game. We all know about the success of the national team and the Gatland three grand slams, six nations,

championship two World Cup semi-finals yet at the same time

the domestic game has struggled.

Just the two pro 14 titles in that period

a couple of challenge cup successes nothing in the main European competition

and of course constant bickering

constant arguing and feels that the regional teams, the union constantly at war.

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