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Hello and thanks for downloading the Scrum 5 podcast. I'm Garthrice Owen and today we have a very special episode for you with four more sprays and current Harlequin's hooker Scott Baldwin. Now there's plenty to discuss with Scott

growing up playing alongside Reese Webb for Bridgete Athletic, 34 caps for Wales and of course a

certain incident with a lion in South Africa a few years ago. But the main reason

Scott invited us to Surrey was to speak about his struggles in particular with gambling and the way he now approaches life especially mental health

He was extremely brave and I think that his honesty about the subject

makes for a fascinating listen. I hope you agree. This is Scott Baldwin on the

Scrumfai Podcast.

Scott, thank you very much for the invite here in Guilford in the sports park.

It's where Harlequin's train train and I'm going to go back what a month or two we've been

in conversation for about a year now but some issues you've had in the past etc. And when the Rob Howley story finally broke and came to a

conclusion I phoned you up immediately because I knew your back story and we conversed and you had a very interesting tack on it because you were saying

that it's not the whole story is it and sometimes gambling in particular is an issue in this sport and sometimes to victimise

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