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Welcome to Big Fish with me, Spencer Matthews. Each week I speak to inspirational people about how they reach the top of their game and their mindset for success.

Scott Walker is one of the world's most experienced kidnapped for ransom negotiators.

Over the course of his career, he's helped resolve over

300 cases or similar crises. Scott spent 16 years as a Scotland Yard detective engaged in

counter-terrorism operations and resolving kidnap for ransom cases and was also deployed to hostile

environments on behalf of military intelligence to conduct covert interrogation operations.

Now, Scott uses his unique understanding of how people think, especially in times of

adversity, to train leaders all over the world in resilience, negotiation, crisis management

and communication. Scott sees life as a negotiation and had some particularly interesting ties between leadership and influence, which I found particularly fascinating.

I hope you enjoyed this conversation as much as I did.

Scott Walker, thank you so much for joining me.

You're welcome. Thanks for having me.

No problem. You're one of the most experienced, kidnap and ransom negotiators that the world has to offer.

When did you get into that?

Well, that is a million dollar question, so to speak.

I think it's one of those roles, one of those jobs that you almost fall into.

I mean, you don't leave schools saying, well, I'll be a plumber or an accountant,

or I don't know, I'll be a hostage negotiator. So I kind of fell into it. I was a cop. I was a

police officer for years in London. And then towards the last five years or so in my career,

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