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You're listening to BBC Sounds. Hi folks it's the Scrum 5 podcast with Garret 3 so in and we're getting ready for the Six Nations hitting that

tournament hard in terms of content but today's pod well it's a bit of a bonus

actually it's a chat with former Wales winger Mark Jones, who's just landed one of the big coaching gigs in World Rugby.

He's been appointed assistant coach with the Crusaders in New Zealand, 10 times Super Rugby Champions.

In fact, the Crusaders have won the last three seasons.

He'll be part of Scott Robertson's coaching setup and Robertson is seen as a real trailblazer for the sport actually progressive, energetic,

charismatic and he'd narrowly missed out on coaching the All Blacks head coach job.

I see many similarities actually between Robertson and

you can clop with Liverpool so he's now Mark Jones's boss and Mark Jones

will be working with the Crusaders so here he is on the Scrum Five Pod.

Mark, you're going to New Zealand?

My aunt, Jude go over but got a few issues with a visa at the moment.

So still Welsh for the moment.

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