S3 Azeem Rafiq: ‘All it needed was “sorry, we got it wrong”’

How Do You Cope? …with Elis and John

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🗓️ 8 March 2022

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Elis and John chat to cricketer Azeem Rafiq about his struggles with mental health as a result of his experience with racism in cricket, as well as the impact of him and his wife losing their son. This episode contains strong language and discussion of miscarriage and racism that some people might find offensive or upsetting. Details of organisations that can provide help and support on some of the issues raised in this episode or the rest of the series are available at bbc.co.uk/actionline.

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0:00.0	BBC sounds, music, radio, podcasts.
0:04.7	BBC Five Live.
0:06.6	How do you cope with Ellis James and John Robbins?
0:11.8	Hello everyone, welcome to How Do You Cop with Ellis and John.
0:15.8	This is the second episode of series three
0:19.5	and today we're talking to Azim Rafik,
0:22.6	which was a really exciting interview to do,
0:25.6	obviously covering some really traumatic territory,
0:28.8	but I think Azim's story has been in the news so much.
0:32.4	There's been so much written about him
0:34.5	that it was interesting to speak to him directly.
0:37.5	I mean, I respected him before, but I had such a deep,
0:42.8	profound respect for him at the end
0:45.0	and having gotten him a little bit over the course of the hour.
0:48.4	It was a really, really powerful conversation, actually.
0:52.0	And I think you could see that even though
0:55.3	so much of this has been digested by the press
0:57.8	and by commentators and people inside and outside of cricket,
1:00.9	the emotions that Azim was feeling when describing
1:04.5	what's happened to him are still incredibly raw.
1:07.0	Yeah, absolutely.
1:09.4	And it's not just about sports.
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