This is Jenny Allen and you are episode of The Made for this Podcast.

It is just an absolute honor that we get to hear from Dr. John Perkins today.

A little bit of a crazy story how this all came about but my

sister Joniel lives in Jackson, Mississippi and is really involved with the

Perkins family and all of the work that they do in Jackson and so I just had this crazy idea I was like Dr Perkins

Embodies what it means to not live as a victim but to fight for justice and to fight for the gospel to go to the ends of the earth and so I was like

Jonial can you go over to Dr. Perkins house today and help us to record this

conversation with him because we have got to hear from him and so she did so big shout out to my sister

Joaniele and you will not want to miss Dr. Perkins books he's got a few amazing ones out there like let justice roll. He

calls me friends and his newest one is called One Blood parting words to the

church on race and love. So buckle up, get ready for this conversation, get something to write with because you will want to capture so much of today's conversation.

So here we go. Here's Jenny and Dr. John Perkins. I am here today with a hero and I cannot wait for you all to get to know him.

Chloe is so committed to finding people for this podcast that have such a unique story and a unique perspective.

And Dr. Perkins is a civil rights activist Bible teacher, best-selling author, philosopher, and community developer.

He has touched so many people's lives and been part of shaping the civil rights movement.

So I'm so honored to have you on here. So thank you so much for being here.

I'm delighted. I think America is in a dilemma where they want to have conversation but fear is overtaken us and we are

acting out of that and we are now afraid of each other and we have made hate the communication entity instead of love and dignity

and the purpose of man's existence on Earth is to know God, know yourself, and to make God known.

Only humanity can reflect the image of God here on earth and that image would be

that we loved one another because love is of God. The thing is that we have to reflect this God

that we have come to know so they can come to know this God. We got to create a new language, a language of love.

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