Hi Guy. Hello Gary, how are you? Good thanks, there might be some wind noise that's not coming from me, that's coming from my roof.

Well it is coming from you but it's also coming from your roof. This is being recorded in a time of great storms.

It is, upheaval's in fact.

Yes, geopolitical and meteorological.

Yeah, yeah.

This is quite a good guest to have on because you know he was just much ahead of the game in making albums and music

about struggle and about difficult times and about the environment and about being gay and black.

Yeah, what's very interesting is how he couched everything and it's especially like his big

one something inside so strong which was written about one thing but then adopted as a theme for something else and

became an absolute anthem quite rightly.

Yeah and recently used outside the Grenfell.

That's right.

Yeah. With the choir. This is Labby Sifrey, obviously, and famous for

writing songs like Crying, Laughing, Loving, Lying, which I think is one of the most exquisite, exquisite

songs ever. Because it has a great payoff.

Songs with a payoff are always.

Beautiful and it must be love which most people might know from the man this cover.

But what about his samples? How many people have sampled him?

And it's unbelievable. Well, we'll get that. But let's get him on.

Welcome to the rock on tours.

Okay, guys, I'm ready.

This was great guys.

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